Subject: Blackwood with a void A long time ago, I learned that the responses to Blackwood when I held a void were: Aces ---- 0 Ignore the void 1 Bid 6 of the void 2 5NT 3 Show one ace, then raise 4 Check the backs of the cards That was before Roman Key Card Blackwood, and it seems inefficient to me, especially if the location of the potential void is known. I'll also note that some play 5NT = 1 or 3 and 6x = 2 or 4. Joy. I hate to say it, but yes, we still have some auctions in which we cannot distinguish between void and singleton splinters, for example, 1S-(2C)-4C. So, after a major suit opening and an identified shortness, how about the following scheme. Yes, I know we can do better with relays, but this is very simple and an improvement over the old stuff. Keys ---- 0 Ignore the void 1/3 no Q 5NT 1/3 w/ Q 6C 2/4 no Q 6D 2/4 w/ Q 6H Ed plays this method, regardless of whether the potential location of the void is known. 5NT = 0 or 3 keys and a void 6C = 1 or 4 keys + void 6D = 2 without 6H = 2 with The advantages of his are: (1) 1 and 3 aces are different bids (2) It's symmetric with normal RKCB The advantage of mine is: We get to start looking for kings a little lower. I'm not sure which is better. In either case, what are the followups? Over Ed's, obviously, 5NT-6C and 6C-6D are queen asks. Over my idea, I don't know what's best; 5NT-6C ought to be some sort of king ask with the void suit replacing the king of a suit hard to bid (usually clubs). 6C-6D or 6H probably ought just ask for the appropriate king or show it, again with the encoding that if it's a known void, then it is the lowest unbiddable suit, here, clubs. 6D-6H just notes the presence of all the keys and invites seven, assuming the trump suit is spades. I am sure there's more to this. Anyone else got any ideas? --Jeff